How did it happen that the world-class Parelli trainer came to
maybe an earlier knowledge with Gabriela Adamczewska, who is quite
interested in the development towards better relations with horses
contributed to this?
Gabrysia was watching me on YouTube, friended me on Fb and when I
told her there were some others from Poland that had asked me to come
teach, but it wasn’t coming together, she offered to bring me!
Where did the idea for Europe come from?
how long have you been spreading knowledge and sharing your
European countries and these are among others Switzerland, Belgium,
I first came to Europe through Parelli Distributors in 1999. I
visited UK, Germany, Sweden and Czech Republic. It was in Czech that
I met Honza Blaha which started a long and fruitful relationship. I
returned in 2009 with my family in tow – and since then I have come
pretty much every year. England, Scotland, Ireland, Spain, France,
Belgium, Germany, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands. I am
also touring Australia every few years.
Why horses? / where did the horses come from in your life?
The Lone Ranger! https://youtu.be/p9lf76xOA5k
my love of horses, and I think especially the white ones. It’s
something inside that drives you towards the horses… it’s innate.
Any chance to do a pony ride, or trail ride, or lesson – I took it.
But there were not that many opportunities where I lived. I did
manage to take a few lessons in exchange for cleaning stalls –
valuable skills for later on..
Why did you choose the Parelli method? What is it about this method
that you chose it?
what we already had the opportunity to hear this year in PL from you
the workshop you combine knowledge from the experiences of various
people like Dr. Jenifer Zeligs from communicating with wild animals (sea
was as nice as you said that everyone learns from everyone. There is
a lot of truth in it.
mean people with similar profession, passion and similar level
commitment to what they do. As in this case, you and Jenifer Zeligs
say a few words, why did you choose „school” of Parelli?
It used to say on the back of Pat’s trailer,
with Ordinary Equipment, Getting Extraordinary Results.”
people with horses just want to be safe and have fun. But they don’t
understand the psychology of how to do that. Pat and Linda have found
the magic buttons to enable folks to learn how to interact with their
horses by understanding how they think. The bridle-less riding and
liberty horse demonstrations are fun ways to get people interested,
which draws them in to learn the fundamentals. The program is
beautifully laid out to make it easy for everyday folks to learn.
What would you like to transfer from this method to those who know
many roads, many training methods, have their own horses and would
like to improve their relationship with the horse?
I assume you are talking about folks who are already safe and having
these folks I would love to share the joys of playing with horses at
liberty at a high level, even with multiple horses. I have my Liberty
Outside the Round Pen DVD series. www.DavidLichman.com/wp
And what would you like to say for those who have never heard of
this method and are open to new ideas, for better treatment of their
horses and they do not know where to start?
You just have to look at the long list of problems people are having,
and realize that Parelli will give the understanding and psychology
to lose these problems and make the horses safe and fun – the reason
we got them in the first place. Some of the problems are: Can’t
Catch, Bucking, Bolting, Biting, Kicking, Trailer Loading, Crossing
Water, Farrier Troubles, Won’t Stop, Won’t Go, etc…
Is there any one or two exercises you would like to give for the
think it is possible? And if not practice so maybe attitude?
The introductory lessons are all on line through Parelli Savvy Club: https://www.parelli.com/the-savvy-club/
ridiculously inexpensive as all the training for all the levels is
available there for around
those interested in beginning the Liberty fun – I have a FREE 5-Part
Series available here: https://tinyurl.com/DML-Begin-Liberty
What can you say about horses in Poland about those with whom you
were dealing? Are
they easy to cooperate with, whether they are happy to learn or not
is this country and it depends more on the character of the horse, as
it is in the case of people. Is someone an introvert or not, or has a
lot of fun?
itself and willingness to act or not etc.
People that come to my classes are generally thirsty for the
knowledge and thus dedicated and conscientious students, no matter
what the country. I would say specifically the Polish students are
especially patient, as the teaching takes twice as long because of
Do I think right , that first a man must want to establish a closer
relationship with a horse, which is equal to the fact that first a
man should make an effort
finding and assimilating knowledge (this is the basis),
its implementation step by step with his horse listening intently
a horse, with patience and forbearance to the horse and to yourself,
of course to the new situation.
want to say that consciousness starts with a man.
depends on him what life his horse will have.
it has not been ok so far, then you can always take the first step.
can always make changes. Everything starts with a first decision.
The relationship is foremost, and will make up for a lot of mistakes
and bad experiences from the past. To make this relationship work,
the human must learn to read the horse, so he can assess his needs
and deliver the teaching in a way that works for him. The Parelli
system guides us in this learning, but it is always helpful to have
an experienced eye to help you interpret what the horse is feeling.
Your most fun experience? Do you have any where you smile at the
thought of him? You think you have some of them working with horses?
My highlights are the gifts my horses give me every day. People ask
which is my favorite… I answer “The one I’m with at the
moment.” My friend, mentor and 5th generation circus trainer, Katja
Schumann, was asked what makes a great horse. Her answer, “A great
horse is one that makes you feel good whenever you are with him.”
this little horse, Pepino, came into my life – and by this definition
he is a GREAT horse.
makes EVERYONE feel good just to be around him.
Do horses forget what they have learned or how do they swim, „they
will never forget it”?
In my limited experience they do not forget. I’m sure there have
been studies, though…
Do you think that each horse can be brought closer together, such
with difficult experiences too?
Do you mean closer together with humans – yes – the relationship can
always be improved. But with extreme cases it can take a long time
and a high degree of skill.
Can you say that you are still learning the language of horses? That
all your life you discover more and more signals, thanks to which you
better understand them?
Horses humble us every day with how little we know about them. It’s
a constant search for a better connection.
is your purpose of life, can you say?
With regard to horses – I play with them at Liberty because we both
enjoy it and it makes people smile. With regard to sharing this
knowledge, I prefer to quote Dr. Alexander
Papaderos (from the book „It Was On Fire When I Laid Down
On It” by Robert Fulghum – author of „All I
Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten”)
am a fragment of a mirror whose whole design and shape I do not know.
what I have I can reflect light into the dark places of this world –
into the black places
the hearts of men – and change some things in some people.
others may see and do likewise. This is what I am about. This is
the meaning of my life.”
Wow,.. beautiful , I felt warmth in my heart. I
am glad that awareness in the world is increasing and that horses
are beginning to be treated as sentient beings, which is proved by
such a beautiful people like you who sacrificed their lives to
… do you think about writing a book? If so, what would it be? is
that about horses but practical tips or more autobiography…?
have some short stories, anecdotes I may share some day… but
nothing too profound. I would hope that my Liberty training series
would give people a good understanding of how to build a positive relationship
with horses – so they want to hang around even without a halter and
Dear David, now not at all. I would like you to read those interviews
as a first-class teacher,
above all as a man with a huge experience
you like to say something to people who want to establish closer
relations with horses?
sometimes it is enough to hear one sentence, that it will change very
much …. So this is questien with out questien 🙂
I don’t see them as horses, or animals in training. I see them as
friends. They have names, needs and desires – as do I. Friends help
fulfill each other’s needs and desires.
you for the interview and for being You.
wish you all the best on your life path and all the best for all You
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